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 Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:45 pm
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This is a question for all of you technologically magical nightlifers...

I just got an 120 gig firewire hard drive for Christmas. I want to use the drive to shuttle data between my PC and Mac. I'm looking for a file system that both Mac OS and Winblows can read and write.

I've used portable drives before and have found that NTFS is not the right format for my needs. My PC can work with it just fine, but the Mac is only able to read and copy files from an NTFS drive. The Mac cannot write to an NTFS volume because that's the way NTFS is.

I've also used small usb flash memory drives between both platforms with much sucess. However, those drives are formated with MS's old FAT file system. While both platforms can read and write, volumes that are formated in FAT are limited to 2gigs in size. This isn't good because my external drive is 120...

Then there's FAT 32...same deal as FAT: both platforms can read and write, but volumes are limited to 32 gigs in size.

I have also tried paritioning the drive in half. 60 gigs dedicated to NTFS, and the other 60 dedicated to Mac OS's system. I first tried creating the NTFS partition on the PC, then hooking the drive up to the Mac to format the remaining space. I think the Mac OS's Disk Utility could only recognize and play with the NTFS portion of the drive. It did not recognize the unallocated space I wanted to use for the Mac file system.

Next i tried putting the Mac file system partition first. Using disk utility I created 2 partitions, the first for Mac's file system and I left as free space. I then connected the drive to my PC to format the remaning partition. To my dissapointment, the PC failed to recognize the Mac partition, and saw the drive as completely empty and unformatted.

As a schwilly workaround, I created 3 partitions on the drive. I made 2 32 gig partitions in FAT 32 so that both platforms could have full access, and then i formated the remaining space in NTFS since I need more HD space for my PC.

I can live with this workaround for a while, but i really want to be able to format half the disk to Mac's format, and the other half in NTFS. Ideallly I can use a filesystem that is friendly to both platforms, but i don't see that happening anytime.

Any suggestions?

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If you can get access to a *nix system with firewire support, you probably will be able to set it up half UFS-half NTFS thing.

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I just wanted to say that i can truly appreciate your post and situation. I think the way you have it set up right now is probably the best. I really can't think of any other way.

What I've always done is this:

My Mac can read anything on my NTFS-PC hd's. So I can always grab from shared directories from the PC and put em on my Mac. If I wanted to move something from the Mac side to the PC, I've only been able to successfully do this with that one Shared Documents folder. So after I do that, I walk over to my PC and open the Shared Documents and then move whatever is there to wherever I want it.

Not exactly the same scenario, though. Do a google on hybrid CDs and shared assets. I think that's more of a similar situation. I've had to make pure hybrid discs before in which the 700megs is partitioned in half...half-HFS and half ISO whateverblah. But I remember coming across hybrid discs that really weren't partitioned, but had "shared assets" so that if you were on a Mac you'd see only the mac files AND the shared assets and if you were on a PC you'd see only the PC files and the same shared files.

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What Mac OS are you running? What version?

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" Date: 03/25/2005 04:06AM PST
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MacOS 10.3.9, possibly the last major revision before Tiger attacks, has implemented support for NTFS read/write, an upgrade to the previous read only support.

10.3.9 should be out within the next three weeks."

from http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Macintosh/Q_21282511.html

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^--- you took my post. damn you!

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hmm that is good news. is the guy that posted the news a credible source?

a revision for panther just weeks before tiger's release? that's fishy to me...

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Suburban wrote:
hmm that is good news. is the guy that posted the news a credible source?

a revision for panther just weeks before tiger's release? that's fishy to me...


I can't vouch for the verifiability of the source. :-\

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Welp, looks like Tiger will be coming out on April 29th (according to Apple's website)

Think they'll be able to squeeze a revision in for Panther before then? =P

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i have a similar sort of problem

i formatted my external firewire drive to unix format
i don't know why

and now i want to hook it up to my PC but there are no
utilities to read unix drives on the pc

i have to fileshare it over the network

there are things out there like macdrive that will let you
use a mac formatted firewire drive on windows

also, i hear that you can make a fat32 partition bigger then 32gb
you might have to do it on a PC using powerquest or ghost or something

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Suburban wrote:
Welp, looks like Tiger will be coming out on April 29th (according to Apple's website)

Think they'll be able to squeeze a revision in for Panther before then? =P


PM me for a possible solution :wink:

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